AI “versus” the Medical Establishment, Rob’s Sith Name, and the Death of Social Media?

Announcer (00:04): Welcome to Raw Data with Rob Collie. Real talk about AI and data for business impact. And now, CEO and founder of P3 Adaptive, your host, Rob Collie.

Rob Collie (00:20): Welcome back to, yes, day 42. I think it's day 42.

Justin Mannhardt (00:24): Damn it, Robert.

Rob Collie (00:27): I had a brain MRI yesterday.

Justin Mannhardt (00:29): Really?

Rob Collie (00:29): Whereas, when I go to the emergency room, and I'm like, "Come on, pneumonia," I'm not really rooting for anything coming up on the brain MRI. This is not where I want the mystery to end. But boy, do I have some fabulous, fabulous, fabulous stories related to all of this that do weave in and out of AI. Some of them are just human interest, but some of them are very AI-relevant. I don't know if you expected this, but buckle up for a moment.

Justin Mannhardt (00:53): I didn't.

Rob Collie (00:53): We're going on a ride.

Justin Mannhardt (00:55): We're talking about pictures of your brain. Hold my beer.

Rob Collie (00:59): Yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea. No, I'm not going to do that. I did have to clean out two empties the other day. I took a picture. I almost sent it to you in Loop, and I'm like, "No, this is going to be in my camera roll. That's not good. We don't want that."

Justin Mannhardt (01:10): You're like the high school kid after the party, and you're just like, "Shit, the ones in the laundry basket."

Rob Collie (01:14): I'm throwing away two beer cans amassed over a period of weeks. This is the lamest version of the high school kid story ever.

Justin Mannhardt (01:24): One beer can to every 2.4 episodes of Raw Data gets misplaced.

Rob Collie (01:29): The dude isn't even averaging an ounce of beer a day, so rookie numbers. All right, so first of all, remember the doctor I told you about?

Justin Mannhardt (01:41): Your virtual visit?

Rob Collie (01:42): My virtual visit with the doctor, where the guy, I said total know-it-all, but I really enjoyed sparring with him. I went back for the boss battle in person with him. Took Jocelyn with me, and I was all ready for combat. Turns out he's actually great. He's great. And the parts of me that enjoyed sparring with him were the parts of me that were actually picking up on the fact that he's actually great. He was a little difficult. We sat down and immediately just started chopping it up and having a great time. I turned to Jocelyn, and I say, "See, I told you." When we were on the virtual visit, he and I didn't agree on a single thing, and yet we still enjoyed it.

(02:18): And he goes, "Wait, wait, wait, wait a second. I gave you everything you wanted in the end." I'm like, "Yeah, in the end you did." He's like, "Yeah, remember I called in your prescription while sitting on the toilet?" He's like, "There's nothing self-absorbed or self-important or arrogant about this guy. He's just as plain and as vulnerable as it gets." We're talking about AI. He's like, "Yeah, I don't mind you using AI. I don't mind that you came in with a printout from my Claude Cowork project that's now keeping track of all of this shit for me." It is. It's become a knowledge worker project, keeping track of all of the stuff and what's going on and everything.

(02:53): So, I go in with this list of a summary of where I've been symptom-wise, then you flip it over, and it's a summary of all the tests that we want him to just rubber-stamp and call in. He's like, "Yep, yep, totally. I don't mind any of this." He's like, "If I can use AI, why is it not okay for you to use it?" He's like, "I don't get it."

(03:09): So, I have this doctor's appointment. It goes really well in the sense that we call in basically all the tests that Claude, but he adds a few. And this is really funny. He's like, "While we're at it, let's just throw in syphilis and HIV." I'm like, "Dude, my wife is sitting right here." Spoiler alert, I'm clear of both. So, I go, and I get most of these labs drawn right there, but there are a couple of them that need to be fasting labs, and I've already eaten that day. So, I've got to come back the next morning for it.

(03:39): This is where things get really interesting. So, I jump in the Uber to take me to that appointment the next morning, not appointment, it's a walk-in. I check the time that the place opens. They open at 8:00 or 7:00. I leave the house about 8:00 because I want to get it done so that I can eat.

(03:55): So, I take the Uber over there, and I get there about 8:20, a 10-minute Uber ride. I'm in the Uber. I bring up Cowork again, and I say, "Hey, I just got a bunch of emails overnight that my test results, a bunch of my test results from my blood test yesterday, came in." The light bulb comes on for me, I'm like, "I have the Chrome extension installed. Can you just go download all those test results into the project for me?"

(04:16): Now, it won't log in for me. It won't enter my password, which we'll come back to, because I think this is where OpenClaw comes in, right? But it refuses to use my password. But if I log in first, it'll go do all this. And think about how inconvenient these portals are. They are not meant to be like export to CSV.

Justin Mannhardt (04:34): Like your medical chart, where you log in?

Rob Collie (04:36): Everyone's done battle with MyChart. And of course, it's not MyChart. It's MyChart, 11 different places. It should be renamed "One of MyCharts." MyChart is singular. So, I log into one of MyChart.

Justin Mannhardt (04:49): A chart of mine.

Rob Collie (04:51): Sweet Chart of Mine. So, we should launch a company that's called Sweet Chart of Mine, and all it does is aggregate your MyChart. Anyway, so I'm in the Uber. I say, "Go get it." I'm logged in now, go get it. So, I'm just sitting in the Uber while this thing, and I'm on my personal hotspot. It's awesome, right? In a car, riding somewhere, and this agent is downloading all of my medical shit, not into a database, but into an MD file, like a very, very lean structured, and I get out of the Uber, and I leave the laptop open because I want it to finish.

(05:24): So, I walk into this place with the laptop open and everything, and it's actually finished up. And they say, "Oh yeah, well, we open at 7:00, but the lab doesn't open for another 25 minutes." I'm like, "Oh, good Lord. Well, I'm not going to go home and come back." So, I'm just going to sit in the lobby. So, I sit down, and I read what Claude has to say about my results. And it says, "Hey, as usual, you tested completely healthy according to all of these tests. It's all ruling things out."

(05:51): But here are the next two tests that really seem like they should have already been run. Claude has missed this. I gave the list that Claude made to the doctor, and he just went down the list, check, check, check, check, check, right?

(06:03): So, a previous version of Claude missed this. The ER doc missed this. My PCP missed this. This is fine. This is just how humanity works. You miss things, right? These two tests, it would be really good if you get those next. I'm sitting here with 25 minutes before the lab opens, so I just pick up my phone, and I call my quote-unquote care team, who is sitting on the other side of the counter behind the wall of the lobby that I'm in. I'll just call them. I can walk up to the counter. If I don't get traction with the phone call, I'll walk up to the counter.

(06:31): So, I call, and I do. I get ahold of a nurse in the back, and I say, "Hey, I have looked at my test results, which, by the way, just came in. There's no way the doctor's even looked at them yet." The first entity in the world at this point that has digested my test results is Claude. I say, "Hey, I think these are the two next tests." And I know that this doctor is down for this. He's not threatened by it at all. He's like, "Are you kidding? You're making things easier on you and on me."

(06:57): I just know that if the nurse gets to him, these two tests are going to get called in, and they do. I didn't have to do another round trip to get another blood test, which, by the way, might be the difference between me doing it and not doing it. This is getting me a better clinical outcome. Now, those tests aren't back yet, but here's a really, really interesting twist to this story.

(07:19): Then I go to Claude, and I say, "Hey, you just downloaded the test results, but I also have all these other notifications. I'm getting letters and notifications from MyChart that are not test results. Can you go download all of those, too?" Claude goes and downloads all of that and comes back and tells me something that just drops my jaw for a moment. It says, "Oh, your post-visit write-up really makes for a plot twist." You can almost see Claude surprised. He goes, "Rob, you have had chronic fatigue syndrome since age 18 and problems with viral reactivation your whole life. And you've had a condition develop where your body no longer converts T4 into T3 in your thyroid sequence."

(08:06): And it dawns on me. I'm like, "Well, that's funny because that's exactly my wife's story. That's not my story, right?" Okay, the doctor had the AI transcriber turned on while we were in the appointment, and at one point, we're just chopping it up with this guy so much that Jocelyn tells her whole life story as well, and the AI agent records it as this is about me. It's not used to a spouse coming in and chopping it up with the doctor. So, it's just like there's doctor's voice, and there's patient's voice. Really dumb, right?

(08:37): So, I did the only thing responsible to do at this point and said, "Hey, Claude, I need you to go into the portal and write them a note saying, 'Hey, you need to fix this AI transcription.'" And Claude goes and does it and says, "Okay, I've written it. It's in there. Do you want to look at it before I press send?" I'm like, "Oh no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no." My AI is going to talk to their AI. It told me what it was going to say in the chat, right? I'm just like, "No, send it."

Justin Mannhardt (09:07): Let it rip. That's wild.

Rob Collie (09:12): It is. It's like living the future all the way around. And where this turns the corner into some really interesting spaces is like, I'm starting to get what the consumer fascination with OpenClaw is. All of this shit, like navigating your life, it's almost deliberately difficult.

Justin Mannhardt (09:31): Your MyChart story is a good example. There's probably hundreds and hundreds in the day in the life of people like us. You have to be stationary on your computer.

Rob Collie (09:43): And you might download it and read it, but then now it's up to your brain, your human memory brain, to start compiling all this data about yourself.

Justin Mannhardt (09:52): There was a book that was really popular, maybe 15 years ago, by Tiago Forte called The Second Brain, and it was all about a system for organizing stuff. And I've tried throughout my entire career to really lean into that stuff and be very organized. So, information recall is very difficult if you haven't gone to the ends of the earth with metadata and tagging and things like that. But now suddenly, now AI makes this a plausible thing.

Rob Collie (10:26): I have this OneDrive folder that hydrates the LLM every time it wakes up, and suddenly I have this coach and advisor that doesn't just know more than any doctor, knows more than all the doctors in that high-rise building combined about medicine. That doesn't mean that it's better than all doctors, but it literally does know more because no human can know that much.

Justin Mannhardt (10:51): The human memory brain isn't going to process that information in nearly the same speed or volume.

Rob Collie (10:59): This is in my new book. I've got this visual of the size of Wikipedia compared to the size of what is likely in Opus 4.6. Now we're onto 4.7 today, right? Opus is built-in pretraining knowledge. It's like 100-and-something to one. So, Wikipedia looks small on this diagram. Encyclopedia Britannica, the final edition of it, looks even smaller. Encyclopedia Britannica isn't going to fit into any human's brain. You're not going to remember it. You can't. You can't remember this 100-pound stack of books.

Justin Mannhardt (11:38): No. You could get really good at using it.

Rob Collie (11:43): But that's like this little tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny blip on this visual. And then Wikipedia drowns that. And then what's built in, before it even can search the web, what's built into Opus further dwarfs that. So, the context window is small. What it can remember that's new is small. A human can remember over time, can remember more than what fits in the context window.

Justin Mannhardt (12:08): And there's more sensory input and different things that trigger the memory.

Rob Collie (12:14): But our ability to remember has nothing on what its pretraining can do. So, this whole notion of all these websites and all these places that have your information, all these places that, in theory, are built for your convenience but really aren't, they're really built for the convenience of the provider, there's this phrase that I've encountered recently, I'm sure you've seen it before. It's called "integration at the glass."

(12:37): So, integration at the glass is basically saying things like MyChart, but even just line-of-business systems, Salesforce, whatever, like all these systems. What every single software system in the world that has information in it that's important to you, whether it's professional, business, or otherwise, they're not really interested in being open. Integration at the glass just means, fine, we will automate a web browser, or we will automate the local computer machine to click and tap and scroll through your interface, which you, by definition, can't close off.

(13:09): And that's what I did, right? The Chrome extension isn't some API thing, right? The Chrome extension is literally opening a new tab, and scrolling the page, and clicking on links, and all that kind of stuff, taking screenshots, and turning those screenshots into information. And it's not fast, but if you're not sitting there, if you can go do something else while it's doing, it's basically zero time, right? It's fire-and-forget.

Justin Mannhardt (13:36): Yeah. It's the same trade-off consideration that's always existed with delegation. I might be way faster than you at task A. If giving you task A frees me up to go do task B, it's a net positive for the whole team.

Rob Collie (13:51): In that Uber ride, while it was going and downloading all this data, I switched over and wrote some of the book. Completely free progress. These sites, like LinkedIn, for instance, have all these really, really, really strict policies of you are not allowed to do that. You are not allowed to automate the browser. You are not allowed to blah, blah, blah. And we're looking for it, and we know how to spot it, and all that kind of stuff.

Justin Mannhardt (14:13): And we will shut you down.

Rob Collie (14:14): But this whole OpenClaw thing means that, like en masse, a whole bunch of people decided to start automating their LinkedIn browsers. And I don't know that when it's like 0.01% of the population that's doing something like this, yeah, you can shut them down. You can ban them. But when it's suddenly like 3% of the population or whatever, right? Remember, on something like LinkedIn, the users are the product. We are the product.

(14:42): So, you can't start banning large chunks of that audience. I'm wondering if behind the scenes right now at LinkedIn, they're just basically crying uncle, saying, "You know what? We've lost web browser automation. That ship has sailed. It's over."

Justin Mannhardt (15:01): Funny, you bring up LinkedIn, because I was having a conversation about this yesterday. There's all kinds of things we're doing where we either have rich API access to the data, so we can understand what's happening with different things that we're doing in terms of content or whatever.

(15:16): But then, when it comes to LinkedIn, it's like, "Oh, sorry, the only option is to log into the platform and go manually read the numbers for an individual account. You can apply for API access for a company account." I know there's definitely fatigue of, you've probably heard the term "getting pitch-slapped" on LinkedIn, just people spam using LinkedIn as the mass emailing tool, but through DMs.

(15:41): Let's say you and I, we knew each other. You accepted a connection request from me because you thought I was a cool dude, and we want to chat. And I'm like, "Hey, Rob, I'd love to tell you about how it could help your company, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."

Rob Collie (15:53): Yeah. And make sure that you harvest one detail from my profile to show me that you care. Did I tell you that LinkedIn is constantly telling me that there are jobs available, like host at Cracker Barrel, because of my job as host of Raw Data?

Justin Mannhardt (16:07): Host of Raw Data.

Rob Collie (16:09): Oh, I've got "host" in this title. I'm like, "Man, there are a lot of host jobs available at Cracker Barrel. Let me tell you that, they're everywhere."

Justin Mannhardt (16:17): This is a tangent, and I find it just sloppy in their algorithm. So, my title in my job history on LinkedIn right now is just "co-founder," and there are all these jobs that apparently are titled co-founder. It's like, "You're a great fit for these things." I was like, "What? No, I'm not."

Rob Collie (16:37): I remember when that started, when there was a job title that they were hiring for called co-founder. Good Lord, what kind of sleight of hand bullshit is this? Literally, if you're hiring me for it, I'm not a co-founder.

Justin Mannhardt (16:51): You keep using this word.

Rob Collie (16:52): Yeah. You might think you're buttering me up, but you're just showing me how dishonest you are. Another Princess Bride, I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.

Justin Mannhardt (17:05): I think OpenClaw.

Rob Collie (17:07): That is how they're using it, right? This is the most popular use of it right now. It isn't as meta, one step removed from vibe coding. It's mostly being used as a personal, completely tunnel-around-all-the-defenses personal assistant.

Justin Mannhardt (17:23): Yeah, for sure. I think that's the appeal to me personally. I have used mine at times to try and work on some coding, but I immediately figured out anything that was heavy, I need to be in Claude Code there. If it was small, I realized, "Oh, there's a bug on the website or something like, 'Hey, can you knock this out?'"

Rob Collie (17:43): I know that Kellan has used it for some meta looping, almost uses it as a way to work around Claude Code's desire to stop working on things. It's like, "No, keep working, keep the loop going." That's smart.

(17:55): But other than that, I looked at it and was like, "Nah, I don't really need to move beyond Claude Code at the moment." But there's a consumer phenomenon. It's more of a consumer phenomenon in a way of using it as a personal assistant. So, for instance, OpenClaw doesn't have any qualms about entering your passwords.

Justin Mannhardt (18:15): Not at all. I think, out of the box, it will happily be given access to your 1Password vault. And you can set it up more securely so it has its accounts and its passwords and things like that, of course.

Rob Collie (18:27): Yeah. Its insecurity is its selling point.

Justin Mannhardt (18:31): Correct.

Rob Collie (18:32): These are synonymous.

Justin Mannhardt (18:34): It is. The YOLO is the reason. And Kellan and I, we were talking about this yesterday a little bit. One of our predictions is within, and probably way faster than we expect, Claude, OpenAI, the things people were excited about OpenClaw for, they're going to be first-party features in these other platforms. And you're already seeing that.

(18:54): I think routines came out, so you can schedule some sort of process Claude needs to run at a specific time or on a specific day. You can already do some remote computer-use stuff from your phone.

Rob Collie (19:07): They're going to need to solve this login problem in a way that they don't want to, but something like OpenClaw comes along and says, "Well, if you're not going to do it..."

Justin Mannhardt (19:16): [inaudible 00:19:17].

Rob Collie (19:20): It's again that metaphor of Die Hard, the guys down in the manhole cover are like, "No, I've got this switch right here."

Justin Mannhardt (19:27): Yeah.

Rob Collie (19:29): "What do you mean we can't turn it off without central approval?" It's right there.

Justin Mannhardt (19:34): It's funny, I always took this for granted at different stages of my career, how much of a royal pain the ass authentication is. And the Mythos preview and all the stories around that model and the cybersecurity concerns, basically, they're sending up the warning like, "These things are really good at just destroying everything now. You can two-factor all you want, it's got you. It's got your number." Literally.

Rob Collie (20:03): It's funny, for the first time using a Mac, my text messages now come to the computer that I'm using. I've never had that before. "Wow, so much of the world has lived this way."

(20:15): So, if someone had compromised my computer, what used to feel like two-factor to me isn't two-factor anymore. If they're sitting at my computer, they've basically also got my phone. And I love the convenience when the text message comes in, and I just click in the code box, and it says, "You want to autofill the thing that just came from the text message?" I'm like, "Yeah, I want to autofill with me from the text message."

Justin Mannhardt (20:39): Yeah. Right.

Rob Collie (20:40): Every time I do it, I'm like, "Something just got a little more dangerous here. They're just a little closer to having me."

Justin Mannhardt (20:48): This is several years ago, and I think now it's even more of a risk. If someone gets access to your device or your personal email, you're cooked. Because if you need to reset your passwords on anything you use, where does that information go?

Rob Collie (21:07): The only thing that really keeps you safe in this world is the fact that there are just so many other targets. If you were a priority, oh man, you'd be getting wrecked.

Justin Mannhardt (21:17): Did I ever tell you the time that I decided to buy five grand in Bitcoin? I woke up, one of my habits, I just go through our financial statements. Someone compromised our checking account and used that to buy five grand in Bitcoin. And so, we were at the bank an hour or so later, reporting the fraud.

Rob Collie (21:35): So, you didn't buy Bitcoin?

Justin Mannhardt (21:37): No. We were probably caught up in one of the debit card leaks, or something, and the banking manager didn't find the humor. I was like, "Yeah, you'll get your money back within 24 hours, and then we'll do our thing, and it'll be fine." I was like, "Can I have the Bitcoin?"

Rob Collie (21:54): No. I mean, I think someone takes the loss there, right? The attacker got away with the Bitcoin. There's no getting that back. And five grand is the perfect number. They're not the Koreans stealing billions from some country in Africa, which happened.

Justin Mannhardt (22:08): There were a couple other transactions that were really small that I didn't really pay any attention to. It's them making sure the card works.

Rob Collie (22:14): Before we did the main heist, yeah.

Justin Mannhardt (22:17): On Amazon or...

Rob Collie (22:18): Then it got me thinking about, so at first I'm like, okay, when a chunk of your population en masse decides to start using integration at the glass, like automating web browsers in clear violation of your terms of service, do you want to start blocking these people? Because again, they're probably some of your most active users, right? It runs counter to your business model to start banning these people, and you're going to lose. You're just going to lose, and you know it, so you're just going to start diluting your protections.

(22:47): Okay, so this means that it's game over. All of these sites, Reddit, LinkedIn, all of them, as if they weren't gamed already, now they're gameable by individuals. You don't have to have deep resources, right? You can be a scammer, a spammer.

Justin Mannhardt (23:04): There's a regular old person.

Rob Collie (23:06): Yes. But we've got a situation where none of this is going to be human beings anymore. We really, as a society, this is really going to up the ante on needing to know who people are. Your online identity needs to be certified as you, but it's not going to be enough because everyone's going to have their AI buddies out there running wild on their behalf. And as soon as they say something that they shouldn't say, whether they said it or not, they're going to go, "Oh, my AI did it."

(23:41): I had to provide my driver's license, my passport, a blood test, whatever, to prove that I am Rob Collie. But then, well, we're not blood-testing my Claude Code. Social media has already been such an unraveler of the social fabric. I love what I just did with my health experience, not even just in the most evil hands. I don't have great faith in the median of the population. Even in the median hands, and I'm a very populist, tear-down-the-ivory-tower kind of guy, it's part of my ethos, right? I don't want this in the wrong hands. And there are far more wrong hands than we want there to be. It's not a small group.

Justin Mannhardt (24:35): It's not a small group.

Rob Collie (24:36): Half the hands you see in an average day are the wrong hands. It's a really big population. I'm a bit frightened by it.

Justin Mannhardt (24:46): I do wonder sometimes if the use of AI in this way, to represent yourself browsing the internet, whether good or bad intentions, conflicts with the reasons social platforms became so popular, and we start to see almost like a decentralization or fragmentation, like more smaller networks start to become the norm. You go on LinkedIn, there's absolutely LinkedIn fatigue.

(25:18): People are like, "I don't want to be on this platform. All I hear is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I don't want to hear that." But that's the place we go to network digitally in a professional context. So, if the site gets flooded with not just AI slop but actual AIs.

Rob Collie (25:39): Carefully crafted, manipulating AI content, right? Well, you're right. Maybe this is the thing that kills it. Come on, kills it. That's our best possible outcome right now, right? The best possible outcome going forward is that this makes everyone just say, "Nope," and we unplug from everything like this, and we go back to the real world.

Justin Mannhardt (26:00): You guys get a garden, maybe some chickens.

Rob Collie (26:06): Back to reality would be a very interesting outcome of all of this. And then, of course, we would still use these tools to tunnel around all of the artificial boundaries that prevent us from getting at our own information, like in our health portals, MyChart, Sweet Chart of Mine.

(26:19): Okay, last thing before I have to go, and there's going to be a part of this that's backstage. It's not the kind of professional tease that you typically expect. In a recent conversation at work, I figured out what my Sith name would be if I were a Sith.

Justin Mannhardt (26:34): Do you have a Jedi name or just a Sith name?

Rob Collie (26:37): The one that came to me was my Sith name. There's basically a regex for Sith names. There are only a few patterns for Sith names, and the first word is always Darth, whereas the Jedi, they're just their names. They don't get cool names. It's whatever they were born with, that's their Jedi name. My Jedi name could be Rob Collie, not exciting at all. I'm going to tell you my Sith name backstage, and then we're going to immediately capture your reaction, okay? My Sith name is...

(27:14): Now, there are rules for the Sith. There's always two, master and servant. But the Sith go, "Oh wait, no, no, no. We don't count him against that total. He's not really part of this." Yeah, okay, yeah, all right, fine. They're embarrassed about it. I'm partly in their club. They're like, "Yeah, we don't really talk about him very much. He's not very useful."

(27:37): When you want to go out and conquer a bunch of stuff, we just haven't found, and you know what else? We don't think he's really even all that into it. [inaudible 00:27:45].

Justin Mannhardt (27:49): But yes, it just doesn't really interest him.

Rob Collie (27:53): I mean, in the space of 15 minutes, I went from having that idea to owning the domain to having a site up. And I'll eventually, this is a future episode, I'll reveal my Sith name. But for the moment, all that's got on there are placeholder blog posts, which are actually, again, AI slop, pretty well-thought-through slop posts, but I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. I need to actually get the real examples up there.

Justin Mannhardt (28:16): That's awesome.

Rob Collie (28:19): I just ran to the registrar. This is the most important thing ever. Of course, I got it for a penny. It's like no one wanted that.

Justin Mannhardt (28:27): Isn't that great?

Rob Collie (28:28): When you really have something truly, ridiculously original, no one cares. There's a teaser for the future. And again, this will be just a complete drain on my productivity. It will never make me a dime, but it will be the thing that I just won't be able to put down. I can't wait to add that. I can't wait to add that to my LinkedIn profile.

Justin Mannhardt (28:47): I wonder if you could create a second profile. That might be against terms of service, since you're a singular human being.

Rob Collie (28:55): Am I, though? I mean, some would say that I change personalities from time to time. Listen, we know that it doesn't matter. We know that LinkedIn doesn't care.

Justin Mannhardt (29:04): The other day, I had a bot comment on a post I made, and it was like, "Thank you for your post and for your job," was the comment. I just responded, "Bot much?"

Rob Collie (29:16): Well, and also, use the expensive LLMs. Was that low-end Haiku?

Justin Mannhardt (29:21): Some open-source, like teeny, itty-bitty.

Rob Collie (29:25): It's probably an offline local model, and it's probably the person using it, it was sold a box to do it by someone else.

Justin Mannhardt (29:33): I was surprised how many new businesses, where their business is, "I will set up OpenClaw for you."

Rob Collie (29:39): Seems like it's doing the world a solid.

Justin Mannhardt (29:42): I'll get a plan together for Sweet Chart of Mine.

Rob Collie (29:44): Sounds good. I'm co-founder, right?

Justin Mannhardt (29:46): I think we might hire our first co-founder.

Rob Collie (29:49): Oh, right. Clearly, clearly. That sounds great.

Justin Mannhardt (29:51): Sweet Chart of Mine isn't a company, Rob. It's an idea.

Rob Collie (29:54): It's true. Yeah, more of a way of life.